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Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby Wheel on Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:05 pm

My Spider over-heated last week after a few minutes of driving, sending coolant out the expansion tank. The outside air temperature was a few degrees above freezing. The radiator fan did not kick in. It seemed to happen after I opened the heater valve. I am not sure if it is an air in the system, a bad thermostat, a failed fan thermal switch or if the heater cooling loop was just by-passing the thermostat. Anyways, I was planning on replacing the cooling system components anyway. I was just waiting to park the car for the winter.

I couldn’t seem to find a diagram that showed all the cooling water loops in one single diagram, so I drew one up based on information from others on this site and some shop manuals. The diagram is for a 1982 Spider, fuel injected.

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Are any corrections needed? Any suggested improvements? Let me know your thoughts, I will update and re-post the diagram as required.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby azruss on Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:45 pm

nice drawing. what cad program do you use. 2 things. the valve in the stadt should be located in the lower radiator hose so when it is closed it only closes the lower radiator hose. the way you have it, it closes both hoses. Also, you may want to add which side of the coolant tee the restrictor hole is on.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby vandor on Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:04 pm

Nice diagram!

If it was that cold the rad fan would normally never come on.
Sounds like an air pocket or stuck thermostat - mind you I've never seen one stuck closed, but it could happen.
Did you do any cooling system work just before this happened?
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby Wheel on Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:36 pm

Thanks for the comments. I used Autocad to create the schematic. I updated the drawing and it is reloaded.

Azruss, I rotated the thermostat as you pointed out. Can you tell me more about the restrictor hole? I do not know what this is or where it should be.

Vandor, I bought the car in mid-August and have not done any work to it. I am not sure what the PO might have done. All the coolant parts look original so I suspect if he did anything it would have only been a coolant flush. As I mentioned, it happened shortly after I turned the heater on, so I am kind of suspecting an air bubble as you suggest. Do you think that the coolant may have just been circulating in the heater core loop, bypassing the thermostat? I read this scenario in another posting. Would the bottom of the rad be cool enough to keep the fan from switching on, but the top of the rad got hot enough to boil out the expansion tank? It doesn't seem to make sense, but I am unsure.

What does stadt mean? I am assuming it is the thermostat. Is this mechanic jargon?

Does the diagram need any other corrections?
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby azruss on Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:49 pm

what you have listed as the top tee has a restricted hole on the stadt (lazy for thermostat) side. when you look at the Tee, it isnt obvious which side the restrictor side should be on. I'm guessing the hole on that side is about 1/2"
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby Wheel on Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:18 am

Azruss, I updated the diagram. Please check to see if I interpreted your description correctly.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby dmwhiteoak on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:49 pm

Is the water flow different on a 78? I ask this because when I had no flow to the heater core it was because the steel line coming from the water pump was plugged. Once I had this unplugged water flowed from the pump,through the core and then to my flushing T and then into the head. That is totally backwards from your diagram. BTW , Good looking diagram!
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby rlux4 on Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:06 pm

The heater core tube is connected to the suction side of the water pump, so the flow is being "pulled" through the heater core, not pushed.
This was drastically demonstrated to me on my trip up to Oregon '08 when, trying to keep up with the Fiat America gang traveling up the coast route, the bouncing of the tube caused a slight leak at the mounting flange. It wasn't bad enough to drip so it took a while to diagnose why air was being pulled into the system and displacing coolant, which boiled out of the overflow bottle. (A PO had cut off the support bracket of the tube.)
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby azruss on Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:12 pm

I think you got it nailed. Nice job! dont know if there is any way to post it to this site as a PDF so everyone could have a copy. I have a DWG to PDF converter so could help you if interested.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby dmwhiteoak on Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:25 pm

Ron, Of all the cooling sys digrams that I have seen, wich ain't but a couple, you are correct. But when I unplugged my tube and installed it back on the car, water flowed from the tube instead of the head as I would have expected when I started the car. With the car running with the tube plugged all I got with the cap off the flushing T was a dribble. I should have had full flow coming off the head. I had good heat for a week until a leaking control valve took care of that. Have one on order and when I tie hoses back to the core I will investigate this further.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby azruss on Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:09 pm

never mind the conversion. I see you posted it as a JPEG. I was able to copy it into a file.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby donerehart on Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:59 pm

How would this change for a carb model? This is great!
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby Wheel on Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:43 am

I can create a .pdf file and check into a way to get the file to those who may be interested. This way the image would be much better than the imbedded 640 x 480 jpg image.

I could also create a drawing for the carburetor engine. I would need to dig into this a bit more. If anyone can describe the changes easily, it may save me some time. Are there any more versions that would be nice to have?

Is the coolant flow direction correct in all the cooling loops? Just want to confirm.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby digitech on Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:35 am

It's correct.
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Re: Cooling Systems Schematic Diagram

Postby Wheel on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:07 pm

In response to Donerehart's question;
Is the only difference the substituting of the fuel injection throttle plate heater with the carb water choke?
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