Running Rough

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CharlieB
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Running Rough

Postby CharlieB » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:26 pm

Happy Monday everyone,
Last night I drove my '76 for about 10 miles without any issues.
Today I started the car and it is running VERY rough. Last night and today the temperature outside was 55 degrees.
I can't figure out what would have changed over night with the car just parked in the garage.
I'll take a look at it after work tonight, but I'm not really sure where to start.
I hate to be such a newbie, but any guidance on what to check out is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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TX82FIAT
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Re: Running Rough

Postby TX82FIAT » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:24 pm

It could be any one of a huge number of things. Did the timing belt jump a tooth. Fuel (delivery, carb, filter, blockage) Spark(check plugs, distributor, etc.) Air? Any loss of power? Sorry this is vague but I would revisit every aspect of the 10 minute drive for some clue and then get down to the basics of timing, fuel, spark, air.
Buon giro a tutti! - enjoy the ride!

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Re: Running Rough

Postby CharlieB » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:34 pm

Thanks for the response TX.
I know I havent provided much info to go on. I'll know more tonight.
I doubt the belt jumped since it was running fine when I parked last night, but I'll check (if I can remember how).
Your right, I'll check the basics first.
Thanks again
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CharlieB
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Re: Running Rough

Postby CharlieB » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:22 am

Well it turned out to just be a lose plug wire.
All is well
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Re: Running Rough

Postby joelittel » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:24 am

That’s great news.

CharlieB
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Re: Running Rough

Postby CharlieB » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:04 pm

Well I spoke too soon.
It's doing the same thing again.
I checked the plug wires and they are all secure.
It won't even idle now though.
I tried to let it run so I could look in the engine compartment but no matter how far I pull the choke out it just sputters and dies.
Fuel filter maybe?
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Re: Running Rough

Postby bobplyler » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:13 pm

If you CAREFULLY pour a little bit of gas in the carb, and it runs (for a little bit), it's somewhere in the fuel delivery system. Else, it's probably ignition.
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Re: Running Rough

Postby CharlieB » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:29 pm

Thanks Bob,
I'll try that tonight
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Your car is a: 1978 Spider 124 5 spd
Location: Southern Maine

Re: Running Rough

Postby Justice777 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:42 pm

Hey Charlie, I had a similar sounding problem which ended up being the idle cut-off solenoid. The little pipe atop primary carb barrel was dribbling fuel out of it at an idle. The solenoid protrudes from (my) carb on driver's side and has 2 wires going to it. Even after changing elect. connectors it still didn't work. Slight pressure on those elect. connectors toward the firewall got it to work and engine running smoothed out immediately. Part is inexpensive - like $30 - $40.

Edit: copied from my post:
On left side of carb is a metal canister w/ 2 wires connected to it. Apparently this is called an ICU Solenoid, AKA Idle Shutoff Solenoid assembly. When my wrist put pressure on the connector towards the firewall, the engine ran very smooth. I replaced connector, cleaned male tab coming out of the solenoid and no difference, except still, if I pushed it a little toward firewall engine smoothed out.
You were on the right track Peter. I looked down primary barrel and when rough running there was fuel spitting out of accelerator pump nozzle while at idle. Favor the elect tab coming out of solenoid towards firewall and that stopped and engine running smooth. For now (until I can replace this part) I have tie-wrapped the connector with just a little pressure toward firewall. Just got back from an hour ride and car performed flawless. Yay!!!

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Re: Running Rough

Postby CharlieB » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:46 am

Thanks Justice,
I tried moving the connector at the solenoid but no luck.
However I did notice that if I unplug the solenoid and then plug it in with the ignition switch on, there is no audible click.
There should be a click...correct?
I did remove the carb and clean it up, including the jets and replaced the fuel filter. It starts right up now, but still idles rough.
I'm guessing the solenoid is bad but I'll double check the wiring to it before I replace it.
Thanks again
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Re: Running Rough

Postby Justice777 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:22 pm

On mine, I looked at accel pump nozzle while it was running and could see fuel dribbling out of the nozzle at idle. When solenoid working there is no fuel coming out of accel pump nozzle.


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